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	<title>Comments on: Problems with the Gnome Online Desktop</title>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://gryniewicz.com/blogs/dang/2007/07/26/problems-with-the-gnome-online-desktop/comment-page-1/#comment-1028</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PyroDesktop and the Online Desktop are only related in vague terms.  You could say that some of us working towards the Online Desktop idea find the PyroDesktop interesting, but that doesn&#039;t mean much.  So the relation of the two is probably only the word &quot;online&quot; or firefox and not much more.

To one of your points, I don&#039;t think you can use this generalization of &quot;web apps&quot;, simply because it&#039;s too vague.  Google Reader is an good example of something that&#039;s a &quot;web app&quot; and I think is excellent in terms of UI and usability YMMV.  Also Google Reader works offline as well as online, using the Google Gears firefox add-on you can read all your blogs from your laptop even when you&#039;re not connected.  That&#039;s just one example of how a web app is becoming more than on the web.

And I think you&#039;re right on that computers need to be connected to be useful.  Even if you write emails in evo while you&#039;re offline, that doesn&#039;t make a difference if you never get evo connected again.  But being able to access my data from anywhere is just a really nice part of using web apps, something that&#039;s not possible in evolution.

The Online Desktop is about creating a desktop environment where your information isn&#039;t lost and is available from more places.  Creating a web mail interface could be an option, but it&#039;s also possible to bring evo closer to being an Online Application like that.  If evolution were to save my account information to the Online Desktop service, I could get access to my email from most any Linux machine with much less effort than would normally require.  And preferences like forwarding messages inline would be saved across these sessions.  These seem like simple things, but GMail and other web mail apps already do this.  I don&#039;t need to reconfigure them whenever I purchase a new computer.

I like how you&#039;re hitting on an issue that a lot of people raise about moving ever application to the web or into firefox.  When really it&#039;s about making applications more connected to web or intenet services and making the desktop more aware of the accounts I posses on different web services so my applications can integrate with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PyroDesktop and the Online Desktop are only related in vague terms.  You could say that some of us working towards the Online Desktop idea find the PyroDesktop interesting, but that doesn&#8217;t mean much.  So the relation of the two is probably only the word &#8220;online&#8221; or firefox and not much more.</p>
<p>To one of your points, I don&#8217;t think you can use this generalization of &#8220;web apps&#8221;, simply because it&#8217;s too vague.  Google Reader is an good example of something that&#8217;s a &#8220;web app&#8221; and I think is excellent in terms of UI and usability YMMV.  Also Google Reader works offline as well as online, using the Google Gears firefox add-on you can read all your blogs from your laptop even when you&#8217;re not connected.  That&#8217;s just one example of how a web app is becoming more than on the web.</p>
<p>And I think you&#8217;re right on that computers need to be connected to be useful.  Even if you write emails in evo while you&#8217;re offline, that doesn&#8217;t make a difference if you never get evo connected again.  But being able to access my data from anywhere is just a really nice part of using web apps, something that&#8217;s not possible in evolution.</p>
<p>The Online Desktop is about creating a desktop environment where your information isn&#8217;t lost and is available from more places.  Creating a web mail interface could be an option, but it&#8217;s also possible to bring evo closer to being an Online Application like that.  If evolution were to save my account information to the Online Desktop service, I could get access to my email from most any Linux machine with much less effort than would normally require.  And preferences like forwarding messages inline would be saved across these sessions.  These seem like simple things, but GMail and other web mail apps already do this.  I don&#8217;t need to reconfigure them whenever I purchase a new computer.</p>
<p>I like how you&#8217;re hitting on an issue that a lot of people raise about moving ever application to the web or into firefox.  When really it&#8217;s about making applications more connected to web or intenet services and making the desktop more aware of the accounts I posses on different web services so my applications can integrate with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://gryniewicz.com/blogs/dang/2007/07/26/problems-with-the-gnome-online-desktop/comment-page-1/#comment-1022</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s nice to know, but it it doesn&#039;t change my argument.  I probably shouldn&#039;t have mentioned pyrodesktop at all, except that it&#039;s the one thing to hit recently that&#039;s more annoying than online desktop, and (accroding to the blogs I follow), it seemed to be related.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s nice to know, but it it doesn&#8217;t change my argument.  I probably shouldn&#8217;t have mentioned pyrodesktop at all, except that it&#8217;s the one thing to hit recently that&#8217;s more annoying than online desktop, and (accroding to the blogs I follow), it seemed to be related.</p>
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		<title>By: suka</title>
		<link>http://gryniewicz.com/blogs/dang/2007/07/26/problems-with-the-gnome-online-desktop/comment-page-1/#comment-1023</link>
		<dc:creator>suka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really have to disagree here, neither was this ever discussed at GUADEC, nor is there ANY mention of PyroDesktop on

http://online-desktop.org/wiki/Online_Desktop

(which is the official wiki for the online desktop)

or here:

http://live.gnome.org/OnlineDesktop

So I&#039;m not quite sure where you got that impression, but it&#039;s definately wrong, PyroDesktop is in no way a part of the GNOME Online Desktop stuff, just because some people might like both, doesn&#039;t mean, that they are the same ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really have to disagree here, neither was this ever discussed at GUADEC, nor is there ANY mention of PyroDesktop on</p>
<p><a href="http://online-desktop.org/wiki/Online_Desktop" rel="nofollow">http://online-desktop.org/wiki/Online_Desktop</a></p>
<p>(which is the official wiki for the online desktop)</p>
<p>or here:</p>
<p><a href="http://live.gnome.org/OnlineDesktop" rel="nofollow">http://live.gnome.org/OnlineDesktop</a></p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not quite sure where you got that impression, but it&#8217;s definately wrong, PyroDesktop is in no way a part of the GNOME Online Desktop stuff, just because some people might like both, doesn&#8217;t mean, that they are the same <img src='http://gryniewicz.com/blogs/dang/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://gryniewicz.com/blogs/dang/2007/07/26/problems-with-the-gnome-online-desktop/comment-page-1/#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I&#039;m not really confusing the two.  All the Online Desktop advocates seem to have jumped on pyrodesktop as their poster child.  It&#039;s the same people hyping Online Desktop that think pyrodesktop is a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m not really confusing the two.  All the Online Desktop advocates seem to have jumped on pyrodesktop as their poster child.  It&#8217;s the same people hyping Online Desktop that think pyrodesktop is a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: suka</title>
		<link>http://gryniewicz.com/blogs/dang/2007/07/26/problems-with-the-gnome-online-desktop/comment-page-1/#comment-1025</link>
		<dc:creator>suka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, rather than putting our deskop into firefox (which is a horrible idea…) and turning it into just another web app, make good, solid desktop apps that integrate well with networked services.&quot;

You seem to confuse the Online Desktop with Pyrodesktop which is something totally different. Putting the desktop into Firefox was never an idea for the GNOME Online Desktop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, rather than putting our deskop into firefox (which is a horrible idea…) and turning it into just another web app, make good, solid desktop apps that integrate well with networked services.&#8221;</p>
<p>You seem to confuse the Online Desktop with Pyrodesktop which is something totally different. Putting the desktop into Firefox was never an idea for the GNOME Online Desktop.</p>
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